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    • CommentRowNumber1.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2022

    A late-night edit for entertainment – I’ll try to polish it up tomorrow when I am more awake:

    I have added a translated original quote from Leibniz, as given by Gries & Schneider 1998:

    Two terms are the same (eadem) if one can be substituted for the otherwithout altering the truth of any statement (salva veritate). If we have P and Q, and P enters into some true proposition, and the substitution of Q for P wherever it appears results in a new proposition that is likewise true, and if this can be done for every proposition, then P and Q are said to be the same;

    Interestingly – and this is what I was searching for – Leibniz ends this paragraph with stating the converse:

    conversely, if P and Q are the same, they can be substituted for one another.

    I was chasing for a historical reference on this “principle of substitution of equals” (or what do people call it?) since this is the logical seed of path induction.

    I’d like to find a more canonical reference. But not tonight.

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    • CommentRowNumber2.
    • CommentAuthorDavid_Corfield
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022
    • (edited Sep 23rd 2022)

    Sounds like the indiscernibility of identicals. Mike has some remarks here.

    • CommentRowNumber3.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022

    Yes, or “principle of substitution” or “substitutivity” seems to be used a lot. I am still looking for a good reference on what Leibniz actually said about this.

    By the way, regarding that comment you point to:

    Strictly speaking, it is “transport” which is “indiscernibility of identicals”, while path induction is the specialization of that to identifications-of-identifications.

    This is why people find the J-rule un-intuitive: The J-rule is really just the intuitively clear Leibniz principle, but specialized to the (evident but) unfamiliar case of identifications-of-identifications!

    • CommentRowNumber4.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022

    added pointer to:

    • Richard Cartwright, Identity and Substitutivity, p. 119-133 of: Milton Munitz (ed.) Identity and Individuation, New York University Press (1971) [pdf]

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    • CommentRowNumber5.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022

    have extracted this page:

    • Clarence I. Lewis, Appendix (p. 373) of: A Survey of Symbolic Logic, University of California (1918) [pdf]

    Interestingly, Leibniz went on to state the “first law of thought” (aka refl). Will add the pointer there, too.

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    • CommentRowNumber6.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022
    • (edited Sep 23rd 2022)

    have dug out the original Latin version, as reproduced in

    • K. Gerhard (ed.), Section XIX, p. 228 in: Die philosophischen Schriften von Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, Siebenter Band, Weidmannsche Buchhandlung (1890) [archive.org]

    and included a screenshot into the entry (here)

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    • CommentRowNumber7.
    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2022

    wouldn’t the topological version of identity of indiscernibles simply be the identity of indiscernibles after applying the shape modality in a cohesive homomtopy type theory?

    • CommentRowNumber8.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2022

    Maybe the question in #7 is referring to the section “In topology”? (Notice that this was added in revision 8 by Daniel Luckhardt, March 2017. By the way, I like the idea of that paragraph, but it leaves some room for clarification and maybe examples.)

    The standard shape modality does not capture the point-set-identification/distinction in this paragraph: under shape, all points in one connected component become “identified”.

    Instead, if one wants to bring a modality into Daniel’s paragraph, it would be that of “T0-reflection” (Kolmogorov quotient).

    • CommentRowNumber9.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2022

    Okay, I have added (here) a paragraph with more clarification on this example of “topological discernibility”.

    (But I am not invested into this subsection, just adding this for completeness. One could probably say much more here in relation to the topological model of intuitionistic logic.)

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    • CommentRowNumber10.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 25th 2022
    • (edited Sep 25th 2022)

    I have:

    • made salva veritate a redirect to this entry

    • added pointer to

      • W. V. O. Quine, §3 of Two Dogmas of Empiricism and Three grades of modal involvement, as reprinted in: Roger F. Gibson (ed.) Quintessence – Basic readings from the philosophy of W. V. Quine, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press (2004) [ISBN:9780674027558]

      for prominent use of this (Leibniz’s original) term for the substitution principle

    • added pointer also

      (where I found that Quine reference from – interestingly, this and the other Wikipedia entry on Identity of indiscernibles do not currently talk to each other)

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    • CommentRowNumber11.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeSep 25th 2022

    Further on ancient history:

    It looks like Leibniz’s ~1700 text fails to state the symmetry of his coincidentia (i.e. A=BA=B). What’s a really early record of somebody making the symmetry of the equality-relation explicit?