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    • CommentAuthorPaul Blain Levy
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2023
    • (edited Mar 5th 2023)

    As explained in the well-order article, any well-order (i.e. extensional, transitive well-founded relation) is a linear order in classical mathematics. The proof given is rather complicated. Happily, within constructive mathematics, there’s a stronger result with a simple proof, as I’ll explain.

    Given an irreflexive, transitive relation on a set X, say that elements a,bX are trichotomously related when either ab or a=b or ba. (Clearly no more than one of these can be true.) Say that is trichotomous when any a,bX are trichotomously related.

    Theorem: a transitive well-founded relation on a set X is trichotomous iff it is both extensional and decidable.

    Proof: () is trivial. For (), we claim that, for any a,bX, if a is trichotomously related with every yb, and every xa with b, then a and b are trichotomously related. Therefore any a,bX are trichotomously related, by induction.

    The claim is proved as follows. Decidability of the propositions ab and ba gives either ab or ba or both ab and ba. In the last case, xa implies xb, since x is trichotomously related with b but xb and bx, and likewise yb implies ya, so extensionality gives a=b. Thus a and b are trichotomously related.

    Martín Escardó has pointed out to me that this proof lies within intensional Martin-Löf dependent type theory.

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    • CommentAuthormartinescardo
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2023
    • (edited Mar 6th 2023)

    I formalized Paul’s proof in Agda back in November, here: https://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~mhe/TypeTopology/Ordinals.Notions.html#is-decidable-order.

  1. Following discussion with Sean Moss, here’s an improved version of this result: A well-founded relation is trichotomous iff it is transitive and extensional and decidable.

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    • CommentAuthorDavidRoberts
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2023
  2. That has the direction, which is the nontrivial one.