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    • CommentRowNumber1.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2012

    prompted by a question by email, I have expanded at homotopy pullback the section on Concrete constructions by listing and discussing the precise conditions under which ordinary pullbacks are homotopy pullbacks.

    Most of this information is scattered around elswehere on the nnLab (such as at homotopy limit and right proper model category) and I had wrongly believed that it was already collected here. But it wasn’t.

    • CommentRowNumber2.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2012

    Thanks. I added a comment about the Reedy model structure which “explains” the first condition.

    • CommentRowNumber3.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2012

    Ah, right. Thanks!

    • CommentRowNumber4.
    • CommentAuthorzskoda
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2012
    • (edited Apr 15th 2012)

    There is a sentence in the middle

    The canonical morphism A× CBA× C hBA \times_{C} B \to A \times_C^h B here is induced by the section ZZ IZ \to Z^I.

    Not only that there is some apparent notation confusion here, but I do not know which canonical morphism, I mean the ordinary pullback A× CBA\times_C B is not mentioned in the preceding diagrams. Well, it is, in a different notation, the whole page scrolled above, in a different section. What is going on ?

    • CommentRowNumber5.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2012
    • (edited Apr 15th 2012)

    The zee is a cee :-)

    The morphism is induced from the canonical section s:CC Is : C \to C^I into the path space object, namely from the commuting diagram

    A× CB C s C I Δ A×B C×C. \array{ A \times_C B &\to& C &\stackrel{s}{\to}& C^I \\ \downarrow &&&{}_{\mathllap{\Delta}}\searrow& \downarrow \\ A \times B &&\to&& C \times C } \,.

    Thanks for catching this. I have fixed it.

    • CommentRowNumber6.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012

    At homotopy pullback I have added a brief section In homotopy type theory with just a basic remark. Should be expanded, eventually.

    • CommentRowNumber7.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
    • (edited May 9th 2012)

    at homotopy pullback I have added another brief section Constructions - In homotopy type theory where I spell out briefly how applying the categorical semantics interpretation to the HoTT formulation of the homotopy pullback does reproduce the derived pullback formula discussed further above in this entry.

    • CommentRowNumber8.
    • CommentAuthoradeelkh
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014
    • (edited Apr 13th 2014)

    I am having some trouble following the discussion between Remark 1 and Corollary 1 at homotopy pullback,

    If all objects involved are already fibrant, then such a resolution is provided by the factorization lemma. This says that a fibrant resoltuion of BCB \to C is given by the total composite vertical morphism in

    C I× CB B C I C C, \array{ C^I \times_C B &\to& B \\ \downarrow && \downarrow \\ C^I &\to& C \\ \downarrow \\ C } \,,

    where CC IC×CC \stackrel{\simeq}{\to} C^I \to C \times C is a path object for the fibrant object CC

    With a friend we were able to see that this vertical composite C I× CBCC^I \times_C B \to C is a fibration by factoring it as two fibrations,

    C I× CB(C×C)× CBC×BC×*C^I \times_C B \to (C \times C) \times_C B \simeq C \times B \to C \times \ast

    After some reflection one can see that this is the same as the morphism in question. However I wonder if the author maybe had a more elegant argument in mind (I don’t really understand the reference to the “factorization lemma”)?

    • CommentRowNumber9.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014

    Hm, this is supposed to be the key argument laid out at factorization lemma.

    Just recently Richard Williamson had rewritten that entry. See our recent discussion around here.

    If the above doesn’t become clear enough there, then we should add more amplification again.

    • CommentRowNumber10.
    • CommentAuthoradeelkh
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014

    I can’t really make the connection, is it Proposition 3 which is supposed to be used? I thought that was just the analogue of the factorization axiom for categories of fibrant objects.

    • CommentRowNumber11.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014

    Okay, so maybe we need to add more to Richard’s version then after all.

    If you go back to revision number 10 (or any previous one) then the statement in question is right in the first paragraphs.

    If that’s what you need, maybe could you edit the entry again such as to make this clear (again)?

    • CommentRowNumber12.
    • CommentAuthoradeelkh
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014

    Oh thanks, I see now, the argument is in the proof of Lemma 1 in that version. I’ll try to make some edits.

    • CommentRowNumber13.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2014


    • CommentRowNumber14.
    • CommentAuthoradeelkh
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2014
    • (edited Apr 14th 2014)

    Ok, I’ve made some changes to factorization lemma now, mainly adding lemma 3 and rewriting the proof of the factorization lemma (prop 1). I hope everything is still coherent.

    Edit: also edited homotopy pullback a bit. I changed the limit in Corollary 1 to the pullback you see now, just for simplicity of exposition.

    • CommentRowNumber15.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2014
    • (edited Apr 30th 2014)

    have added to the section Fiberwise characterisation the statement for stable model categories: a square is a homotopy pullback iff it is a homotopy pushout iff it induces an equivalence on homotopy fibers. With a pointer to the 2007 version of Hovey’s book, for a proof.

    • CommentRowNumber16.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2019

    added full publication details for the following item (wasn’t so easy to find…)

    diff, v50, current

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