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    • CommentRowNumber1.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012

    I moved the definition of promonoidal categories from Day convolution to promonoidal category, and expanded on it a bit.

    • CommentRowNumber2.
    • CommentAuthorNoam_Zeilberger
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2015
    • (edited Apr 2nd 2015)

    I noticed that the definition of promonoidal category given here is op’d from the one in Day’s original paper (and the one with Panchadcharam and Street), in the sense that a Day-promonoidal structure on CC corresponds to a nlab-promonoidal structure on C opC^{op}. I imagine this reversal has to do with the convention for the direction of profunctors. Should we care? I don’t think it matters for the promonoidal structure generated by a monoidal category (since a monoidal structure on CC transports to a monoidal structure on C opC^op), but on the other hand, another example Street gives is of the promonoidal structure generated by a biclosed category, with P(A,B,C)=Hom(B,AC)=Hom(A,C/B)P(A,B,C) = Hom(B, A\setminus C) = Hom(A, C/B). That wouldn’t work with the current definition in the article, since the existence of a biclosed structure is not preserved under op’ing.

    • CommentRowNumber3.
    • CommentAuthorTodd_Trimble
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2015

    Good catch, Noam; that’s a little annoying. I think we should care, and I’d say we should change over to the standard Day definition, or at the very least leave a remark.

    • CommentRowNumber4.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015

    What about the equivalence between promonoidal structures on CC and biclosed monoidal structures on V C opV^{C^{op}}?

    • CommentRowNumber5.
    • CommentAuthorNoam_Zeilberger
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
    • (edited Apr 3rd 2015)

    Looking at (Day 1974) as well as the (Day & LaPlaza 1978) paper cited at closed category, it seems the idea is that a (Day-)promonoidal structure on the closed category CC is used to construct a biclosed monoidal structure on V CV^C, and then CC is embedded into contravariant presheaves over a small subcategory AV CA \subset V^C. So perhaps it is just worth adding a note that a closed structure on CC induces a (nlab-)promonoidal structure on C opC^op, and that this is op’d from Day’s original convention?

  1. (and that actually clarifies for me why you have to “take presheaves twice” in the construction of a biclosed monoidal category over a closed category – when one suffices for getting a biclosed monoidal category over a monoidal category – so I see the advantage of the current convention used in the nlab article.)

    • CommentRowNumber7.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015

    More generally, any multicategory structure on CC induces an nlab-promonoidal structure on C opC^{op}.

    I find it very pleasing when using the convention where ProfProf is equivalent to the 2-category of presheaf categories and cocontinuous functors, which makes it utterly obvious that a promonoidal structure on CC is the same as a nice monoidal structure on V C opV^{C^{op}}.

  2. So I went ahead and added a little note about the relationship to Day’s definition. (Also note that he had actually first called these “premonoidal categories”, but sometime between 1970 and 1974 he switched to “promonoidal” and reformulated the definition in terms of profunctor composition.)

    • CommentRowNumber9.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2015

    Thanks!

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