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    • CommentRowNumber1.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeOct 7th 2013
    • (edited Oct 7th 2013)

    started Elmendorf’s theorem with a brief statement of the theorem

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2014

    added a section Model category presentation / Quillen equivalence with some brief paragraphs on Guillou’s notes (fro discrete groups).

    • CommentRowNumber3.
    • CommentAuthorDavid_Corfield
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2018

    I added a remark about the generalisation to atomic orbital (∞,1)(\infty, 1)-categories of Barwick et al.

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    • CommentRowNumber4.
    • CommentAuthorDavid_Corfield
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2018

    This was sparked by John Huerta’s recent Café post where he’s seeking a “nice conceptual explanation for Elmendorf’s theorem”. You’d imagine that a very general setting would provide this.

    But now I look again at that introductory paper at Parametrized Higher Category Theory and Higher Algebra, what precisely are they promising in an Elmendorf direction? On p. 6 certain unstable results are said to hold for any base (∞,1)(\infty, 1)-category, while stable results need those ’atomic’ and ’orbital’ properties.

    An “Elmendorf–McClure theorem” is discussed on p. 8.

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    • CommentAuthorTim_Porter
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018
    • (edited Jun 29th 2018)

    Added a reference to the n-cat café discussion and also to an old paper on the categorical aspects of the theorem by Cordier and myself. (PS. This includes an attempt at saying why, intuitively, the theorem works by looking at G-sets and diagrams of sets over Orb(G).)

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    • CommentAuthorDavidRoberts
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2018

    Added doi link, tweaked formatting of (Cordier-Porter 1996)

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    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2018

    Added link to Marc Stephan’s note proving a Quillen equivalence for arbitrary families of subgroups.

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    • CommentRowNumber8.
    • CommentAuthorTim_Porter
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2018

    There are some papers by Dror that are sometimes cited.

    E. Dror Farjoun, Homotopy theories for diagrams of spaces, Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society, 101, (1987), 181 – 189.

    E. Dror Farjoun and A. Zabrodsky, Homotopy equivalence between diagrams of spaces, Journal of Pure and Applied Algebra, 41, (1986), 169 – 182.

    These could be mentioned in several places (but do not seem to be there, of course, I may have searched on the worng term!) ELmendorf’s theorem, Orbit category etc. They are cited by Barwick et al. and are relevent here as well. They could be useful but where?

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    • CommentAuthorDavid_Corfield
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2018

    I’ve shifted the generalizations mentioned in two remarks to the section ’Generalizations’.

    What is now generalization 3 is referring to the work of Farjoun and others that Tim has just mentioned.

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    • CommentAuthorDavid_Corfield
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2018

    Apparently the latest on this is:

    • B. Chorny, Homotopy theory of relative simplicial presheaves, Israel J. Math. 205(2015), no. 1, 471–484.
    • CommentRowNumber11.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2018
    • (edited Jul 4th 2018)

    I have grouped the reference Stephan 10 together with Stephan 13 and expanded the citation data (MS thesis 2010, and pointer also to the full thesis text). I checked briefly if the latter is just the published version of the former, but maybe not.

    I seem to recall that the generalization to sub-families of subgroups is also claimed in May 96, just not in terms of model categories. So I have added a “see also” to May96. If anyone has the energy to check, we should add pointer to the precise proposition number.

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    • CommentRowNumber12.
    • CommentAuthorTim_Porter
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2018

    I have a vague memory the Dwyer and Kan looked at the sub-families of subgroups quite early as well… but they did such a lot in the 1980s that I am not sure where to look!

    • CommentRowNumber13.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2019

    added jstor-link for Elmendorf’s original article

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    • CommentRowNumber14.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021
    • (edited Mar 12th 2021)

    I notice that our entry never says why one would want the equivariance group GG to be a compact Lie group.

    Curiously, neither does Elmendorf in his article! He demands this condition up front, but never ever refers back to it, explicitly.

    Of course it’s a sufficient condition to ensure that with a GG-space XX being an equivariant CW-complex, so are all its fixed loci X HX^H for closed subgroups HH. This is – implicitly – used deep down in the proof of the equivalence.

    Marc Stephan 10 claims that this is shown to work without any condition on GG in May 96. But in May 96 it’s not easy to see where the exact assumptions are stated, and when it comes to using them (p. 53) it just says “We can check”.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021

    I have adjusted the statement in the Idea-section back to finite groups, and then added the following remark:

    This is stated in Elmendorf 83 as an equivalence of homotopy categories and refined in Guillou 06, Prop. 3.15 to a Quillen equivalence of presenting model categories.

    Notice that Elmendorf 83 allows GG more generally to be a compact Lie group, while Piacenza 91, Sec 6 and May 96, Sec. V.3 claim that the equivalence of homotopy categories works even for any topological group.

    However, Guillou 06 assumes GG to be a finite group to get an actual Quillen equivalence (Guillou 06, Prop. 3.15).

    While Stephan 13 claims that Piacenza 91 also gives a Quillen equivalence, this is not what Piacenza 91, Thm. 6.3 actually states. (What is stated certainly goes in the direction of claiming that the derived adjunction is an equivalence, but does it go all the way?)

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    • CommentRowNumber16.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021

    added pointer to:

    This has the infinity/Quillen equivalence version but again stated just for discrete groups, (albeit not assumed finite).

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    • CommentRowNumber17.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021

    Ah, I see now that the statement for any topological group is Thm 1.8 in Guillou-May-Rubin. Have further adjusted the text accordingly.

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    • CommentRowNumber18.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021
    • (edited Mar 12th 2021)

    added also pointer to

    Then I finally saw that somebody had added a pointer to John Huerta talking about Elmendorf’s theorem. I found that odd without the pointer to where this came from, so I added

    Then I spotted pointer to

    with the mysterious remark that

    Some of the categorical aspects of Elmendorf’s theorem are examined…

    Looking into the article, I see that Theorem 3.11 there enhances Elmendorf’s equivalence to a simplicial adjunction that is at least very close to a simplicial Quillen equivalence. Therefore I moved this reference up to the list of references on ∞\infty-enhancements of Elmendorf, gave it a (hopefully) more informative commentary and linked to it from the main text accordingly.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021
    • (edited Mar 12th 2021)

    Then I finally looked at the reference to Chorny’s article that was (and is) given in the entry. Noticing that this is really a note expanding on previous articles, I added those precursors and with more (hopefully) informative commentary. Now it reads as follows:

    A more general class of Quillen equivalences of which these model-category theoretic enhancements of Elmendorf’s theorem turn out to be special cases are discussed in:

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    • CommentRowNumber20.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2021

    Hm, that made me realize that the statement in its full beauty is already way back in

    They already have a full-blown simplicial Quillen adjunction and no assumption on the topological group GG.

    Have re-written the commentary on the literature accordingly.

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    • CommentRowNumber21.
    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2022
    • (edited Jun 30th 2022)

    I am working on a remark (here) which means to bring out more of the generality of the theorem that Dwyer & Kan actually proved (which goes far beyond what is traditionally cited) and what that really “means” (to my mind).

    I don’t claim this remark is well-written yet, please to be regarded as under construction. But there are two points that deserve to be made:

    1. Dwyer-Kan prove a result that holds for every topological group GG and every choice of familiy ℱ\mathcal{F} of subgroups.

      If this choice is different from G=CompactLieGrpsG = CompactLieGrps and ℱ=ClosedSubgroups\mathcal{F} = ClosedSubgroups then the resulting homotopy theory is not (or not known/guaranteed to be) that of GG-spaces with usual GG-homotopies, but

    2. since their result is a simplicial Quillen equivalence, there is always a statement just about mapping spaces, and that statement is of the curious form “concordance becomes homotopy” which has been so important elsewhere;

    namely, if we understand “(G,ℱ)(G,\mathcal{F})” as always referring to the coset spaces G/HG/H in the given family, then their theorem implies that “shape may be taken inside the mapping space” in the following way:

    X∈(G,ℱ)CWCplx⊢ʃ(Maps(X,Y) G)≃Psh ∞(Orb(G,ℱ))(ʃ(X (−)),ʃ(Y (−))). X \,\in\, (G,\mathcal{F})CWCplx \;\;\;\;\;\; \vdash \;\;\;\;\;\; ʃ \Big( Maps \big( \mathrm{X} ,\, \mathrm{Y} \big)^G \Big) \;\; \simeq \;\; Psh_\infty\big(Orb(G,\mathcal{F})\big) \Big( ʃ \big(\mathrm{X}^{(-)}\big) ,\, ʃ \big(\mathrm{Y}^{(-)}\big) \Big) \,.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2022

    Have spelled out the statement of the “Dwyer-Kan theorem” (here).

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2022
    • (edited Jul 10th 2022)

    It looks like we have a neat proof of a twisted Elmendorf theorem (I’ll show the proof tomorrow):

    For

    • GG a finite equivariance group,

    • Γ\Gamma a GG-equivariant topological structure group,

      satisfying Uribe & Lück’s “Condition H”,

    • XX a GG-CW complex (such as a smooth GG-manifold),

    • AA any GG-space with Γ\Gamma-action,

    then for any GG-equivariant AA-fiber bundle with structure group Γ\Gamma over XX,

    the concordance ∞\infty-groupoid of its GG-equivariant sections is equivalently

    the slice hom of ∞\infty-presheaves over GG-orbits,

    from the shape of X (−)X^{(-)} to the shape of the GG-orbi-singularization of A⫽(Γ⋊G)A \sslash (\Gamma \rtimes G),

    sliced over the equivariant Γ\Gamma-classifying space.

    \,

    So for Γ=1\Gamma = 1 this reduces to the usual Elmendorf theorem (in the ∞\infty-form that Dwyer & Kan proved),

    while for non-trivial Γ\Gamma this is a variant version where both sides are sliced over the appropriate incarnation of B(Γ⋊G)\mathbf{B}(\Gamma \rtimes G).

    \,

    Has any such sliced/parameterized/twisted Elmendorf theorem been considered/proven elsewhere?

    (I haven’t seen anything remote elsewhere – but if anyone has, please drop a note!)

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2022
    • (edited Jul 13th 2022)

    A first writeup of that proof is now in Section 4.5 of the pdf here.

    (Currently it’s Thm. 4.5.3 on p. 223, but this may change.)

    The main technical step used in the proof is the observation that under that “Condition H”, the full sub-∞\infty-category of the finite-isotropy orbits of Γ⋊G\Gamma \rtimes G (for Γ\Gamma the topological structure group and GG the discrete equivariance group) on those which are lifts of subgroups of GG is equivalent to the slice of GG-orbits over the equivariant classifying space:

    Orb(G) /B GΓ↪−−−Orb(Γ⋊G). Orb(G)_{/B_G\Gamma} \xhookrightarrow{\phantom{---}} Orb(\Gamma \rtimes G) \,.

    This is currently Prop. 4.3.15 on p. 211 (but this may change).

    This new material still has some rough edges, but should be readable.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeDec 23rd 2022

    Added this pointer:

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