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    • CommentAuthorJohn Baez
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2009
    I've done a tiny bit of work to add a more intuitive introduction to the concepts of model category and Quillen equivalence, and I plan to do some more. If anyone wants to help, that would be great. For example, it would be nice to give some general intuition for fibrations, cofibrations and weak equivalences and why they matter.
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    • CommentAuthorTobyBartels
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2009

    You also wrote Serre fibration.

    I changed the discs in the definition to simplices, which are topologically equivalent; I hope that this doesn't mess up any exposition that you're trying to do. The simplicies seem to me to fit in better with what is in the rest of the Lab … although now that I think about it, maybe cubes would be nice, so that we're discussing the inclusions of cubes into cubes of one higher dimension.

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    • CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2009
    In my opinion, the nLab is a little too biased towards simplices. My preferred shapes are cubes, so if anything can be expressed via cubes, I'd love to see it because my intuition is better there.
    • CommentRowNumber4.
    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2009

    I don't think anyone is ever going to reach agreement on simplices vs cubes vs discs. The nice thing about topological spaces is that all such shapes are homeomorphic there, so I think who ever is writing a given page should be free to use whatever they feel is most appropriate. And I think it's good for people who are used to thinking of one shape to be exposed to the same ideas expressed using different shapes.

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    • CommentAuthorEric
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2009
    Sure. Except in my case, it is not that I've mastered one shape and don't want to consider others. The shapes I have the best chance with are cubes, but I struggle with even those, i.e. I don't understand any shapes :)

    Besides, there is more to life than topology. If the shape is irrelevant for any particular topic, it would be great if a word or two was stated to say so. It's just a request that can (and probably will) be ignored :)

    Eric
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    • CommentAuthorzskoda
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2009

    So why not including more variants of the equivalent definition...rather than merely replacing one by another.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2009
    This comment is invalid XHTML+MathML+SVG; displaying source. <div> <blockquote> the nLab is a little too biased towards simplices </blockquote> <p>Hm, and I thought we invested quite a bit of energy into discussing all the different shapes. Not many resources will go into the comparative shapeology that we have at <a href="https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/geometric+shapes+for+higher+structures">geometric shapes for higher structures</a>.</p> <p>But one reason why combinatorial simplices play such a prominent role is that <em>only for them is there a well developed homotopy theory</em> . This does not mean that such a theory does not exist in principle for the other shapes (I am sure it does) but it does mean that it is not known well, or at all.</p> <p>More concretely: there are lots of tools for working with simplicially enriched model categories. As soon as similar tools exist for cubically enriched model categories, we'll be able to transfer much of the simplicial technology over to the cubical world.</p> </div>
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    • CommentAuthorzskoda
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2009

    The freedom between the choice of shapes comes with Grothendieck's theory based on "test categories"...but this has not been much followed except for seminal works of Cisinski and support from Jardine and Maltsiniotis. Jardine wrote a nice survey on categorical homotopy theory which can be found at arXiv, which outlines the Cisinski's work in a bit less technical manner than the original work.

    • CommentRowNumber9.
    • CommentAuthorzskoda
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2009
    • (edited Dec 28th 2009)

    I added lots of references and few links to Andre Joyal and similar improvements to torsor.

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    • CommentAuthorMike Shulman
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2009

    I added some more comments to model category and Quillen equivalence, including organizing the "Examples" section of "model category" a bit more.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2009
    This comment is invalid XHTML+MathML+SVG; displaying source. <div> <blockquote> I added some more comments to model category [...] including organizing the "Examples" section of "model category" a bit more. </blockquote> <p>Thanks, nice!</p> </div>
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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2009
    This comment is invalid XHTML+MathML+SVG; displaying source. <div> <blockquote> I added lots of references and few links to <a href="https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Andre+Joyal">Andre Joyal</a> </blockquote> <p>Thanks! I added various hyperlinks. Do we have anything on species?</p> </div>
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    • CommentAuthorTobyBartels
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2009

    Do we have anything on species?

    See structure type.

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2009
    This comment is invalid XML; displaying source. <blockquote> <blockquote> Do we have anything on species? </blockquote> See <a href="https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/structure+type">structure type</a>. </blockquote> <p></blockquote></p> <p>Thanks. I guess that requires more discussion, but just so people looking for "species" find anything (it is requested by a handful of entries), I created <a href="https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/species">species</a>. At the moment it just points to <a href="https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/structure+type">structure type</a>.</p>
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    • CommentAuthorRaeder
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2012

    Is there a policy on the nLab on how to denote the homotopy category of a model category? At Quillen equivalence I changed all to HoHo to make it consistent within that page (previously there were both hh and HoHo on the same page).

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    • CommentAuthorUrs
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2012
    • (edited Oct 25th 2012)

    No, there are no Lab-wide conventions, for there is hardly a way to enforce them – or even to agree on them. (We tend to have – sometimes unfortunately lengthy – disagreements about tiny aspects of single entries already.)

    So every page should try to be as self-contained as necessary for it to be readable. Thanls for taking care of this in the present case!