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1. • CommentRowNumber1.
   • CommentAuthorzskoda
   • CommentTimeDec 30th 2012
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   Author: zskoda
   Format: MarkdownItexNew entry [[IMU]] linked from [[ICM]]. Note that [[ICM]] page has the link to the archive of articles from old ICM-s. This is very precious as these are usually readable surveys of major contributions to mathematics covering over half a century.

   New entry IMU linked from ICM. Note that ICM page has the link to the archive of articles from old ICM-s. This is very precious as these are usually readable surveys of major contributions to mathematics covering over half a century.

2. • CommentRowNumber2.
   • CommentAuthorRodMcGuire
   • CommentTimeDec 30th 2012
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   Author: RodMcGuire
   Format: MarkdownItexShouldn't these pages be named by their full names rather than with abbreviations? "International Mathematical Union" and "International Congress of Mathematicians". Of course the abbreviations can be redirects.

   Shouldn’t these pages be named by their full names rather than with abbreviations?

   “International Mathematical Union” and “International Congress of Mathematicians”.

   Of course the abbreviations can be redirects.

3. • CommentRowNumber3.
   • CommentAuthorzskoda
   • CommentTimeDec 30th 2012
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   Author: zskoda
   Format: MarkdownItexThe full names are the redirects in these two cases (and [[eom]]). The abbreviation is very common here (in fact I knew many years earlier ICM than International Congress of Mathematicians, indeed many references say Drinfeld, _Quantum groups_, Proc. ICM 1986 and alike. But from the point of view of $n$Lab I find it easier to use and remember short page names (for example, I navigate through $n$Lab by typing the page name, including for source version which has no redirect: also the pointers to the alternative names do not list in the list of pages referring to). On the other hand, for the terms like Hausdorff space vs. Hausdorff topological space we prefer full name in the title in order to have as precise as possible division into the notions (separated space may mean separated algebraic space and separated topological space, quite different notions, though separated is intuitively related in the two),

   The full names are the redirects in these two cases (and eom). The abbreviation is very common here (in fact I knew many years earlier ICM than International Congress of Mathematicians, indeed many references say Drinfeld, Quantum groups, Proc. ICM 1986 and alike. But from the point of view of $n$Lab I find it easier to use and remember short page names (for example, I navigate through $n$Lab by typing the page name, including for source version which has no redirect: also the pointers to the alternative names do not list in the list of pages referring to).

   On the other hand, for the terms like Hausdorff space vs. Hausdorff topological space we prefer full name in the title in order to have as precise as possible division into the notions (separated space may mean separated algebraic space and separated topological space, quite different notions, though separated is intuitively related in the two),

4. • CommentRowNumber4.
   • CommentAuthorRodMcGuire
   • CommentTimeDec 30th 2012
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   Author: RodMcGuire
   Format: MarkdownItexIt is generally considered bad form in all fields to use abbreviations or nicknames (e.g. "poset" meaning "partially ordered set") as the major entry points for concepts. There is a large potential for name conflicts which then necessitate some name change to keep them distinct - say "IMU (organization)" vs. "IMU (automata)". Your argument seems to be that it is more convent for those in the know. One thing Wikipedia sort of does that the nLab lacks is an indication on a page of what redirects to it. If the nLab software was updated so that the page "“International Mathematical Union” said "redirect of IMU" would that satisfy your convenience argument? Then again if that happened the nLab would probably be need to be cleaned up for all the redirects fixing spelling, capitalization, punctuation, pluralization, etc.

   It is generally considered bad form in all fields to use abbreviations or nicknames (e.g. “poset” meaning “partially ordered set”) as the major entry points for concepts. There is a large potential for name conflicts which then necessitate some name change to keep them distinct - say “IMU (organization)” vs. “IMU (automata)”.

   Your argument seems to be that it is more convent for those in the know.

   One thing Wikipedia sort of does that the nLab lacks is an indication on a page of what redirects to it. If the nLab software was updated so that the page ““International Mathematical Union” said “redirect of IMU” would that satisfy your convenience argument?

   Then again if that happened the nLab would probably be need to be cleaned up for all the redirects fixing spelling, capitalization, punctuation, pluralization, etc.

5. • CommentRowNumber5.
   • CommentAuthorzskoda
   • CommentTimeDec 31st 2012
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   Author: zskoda
   Format: MarkdownItexI think we will be happy when $n$Lab gets so crowded so that things like [[ETCS]], [[ZFC]] and [[IMU]] will need disambiguation. > If the nLab software was updated so that the page ““International Mathematical Union” said “redirect of IMU” would that satisfy your convenience argument? No, it does say that now (try [[International Mathematical Union]] and it will tell you on the top of the page that it is a redirect) and it does not address the two main concerns. Some things like SSSR, LASER and AIDS are better known by abbreviations/acronyms than the whole spelling, but in general I am _not_ favorable of abbreviations.

   I think we will be happy when $n$Lab gets so crowded so that things like ETCS, ZFC and IMU will need disambiguation.

   If the nLab software was updated so that the page ““International Mathematical Union” said “redirect of IMU” would that satisfy your convenience argument?

   No, it does say that now (try International Mathematical Union and it will tell you on the top of the page that it is a redirect) and it does not address the two main concerns. Some things like SSSR, LASER and AIDS are better known by abbreviations/acronyms than the whole spelling, but in general I am not favorable of abbreviations.

6. • CommentRowNumber6.
   • CommentAuthorTobyBartels
   • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2013
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   Author: TobyBartels
   Format: MarkdownItexI also like longer names here.

   I also like longer names here.

7. • CommentRowNumber7.
   • CommentAuthorzskoda
   • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2013
   • (edited Jan 2nd 2013)
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   Author: zskoda
   Format: MarkdownItexIt would be than helpful if links like <http://ncatlab.org/nlab/source/IMU> work. The fact is that the redirects do not work for source and alike variant, just for the main show page (of course this is just a concern when you have problems slow connection and laptop which likes to stall when reloading and so on; for me the daily pain nowdays).

   It would be than helpful if links like

   http://ncatlab.org/nlab/source/IMU work. The fact is that the redirects do not work for source and alike variant, just for the main show page (of course this is just a concern when you have problems slow connection and laptop which likes to stall when reloading and so on; for me the daily pain nowdays).

8. • CommentRowNumber8.
   • CommentAuthorTobyBartels
   • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2013
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   Author: TobyBartels
   Format: MarkdownItexDefinitely such links should work! Andrew might even be able to write a hack to do this using HTTP redirects, but really Instiki should do this.

   Definitely such links should work! Andrew might even be able to write a hack to do this using HTTP redirects, but really Instiki should do this.